Curse

SerenitySilverstar · Apr 14, 2009, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Can somebody go find the threads where it was discussed ad nauseum that people would quite happily pay money for extra storage? Please? Because the hypocrisy round here is choking.

wetwillyhip · Apr 14, 2009, 01:39 AM // 01:39

/unsigned.

wow this is pathetic, you guys have really have gone way too far with this. More storage = more server space needed, it makes sense. you guys are using the reason that "you thought the update was going to be free?"... now, that's your own fault and problem. where the crap does Anet give any hint/statement that new content will be free? and if that doesn't allow things to be seen clear, then all i have to say is "non-subscription game". get over yourselves,

this is Anet's only game and they're a business, you hear all the time about Regina saying they aren't able to implement features we want b/c of the lack of resources... 10$ is a convenience TO YOU so that you will not have to switch between character mules and it it is also a convenience to Anet so that they can get some good money/resources to implement more crap you guys want in the game. So by looking at what you guys want, you guys are getting the convenience of a lower price for storage and Anet doesn't get any convenience of good money in return, oh that's real selfless of you guys... well done.

Yawgmoth · Apr 14, 2009, 02:05 AM // 02:05

I've posted before that I would buy xunlai tabs if it was possible, but I now call for /BOYCOTTING it. I hate how they're taking advantage of people who want it by giving it an absuridiculous price of $0,50 per slot.

Character slots at $10 are very expensive, but at least bearable - I've bought 4.

They should have went with a much more fair deal and sold the xunlai panes in packs of 2 for $10, for many reasons:

1. It would be somewhat comparable to a character slot value (char slot is 45 universal storage +5-20 equipmemnt pack, +heroes, +ability to play!)
2. It would still cost them much less than a character slot, considering data that needs to be processed and saved and the stress on servers generated by constant logouts needed to move items around.
3. They would make MORE money from it - I bet the number of people who will buy more than 2 of them at current price is much smaller than the number of people that would buy 1-2 of them if they were sold 2 for $10.
4. The difference of cost of selling 2 panes instead of 1 is minimal - the main cost they need to cover is probably the server upgrade that will allow the storage updates at all.
5. There would be no major outrage on forums and ingame talks, no calling for boycotting - I don't remember complaints about character slot prices.

Cale Roughstar · Apr 14, 2009, 02:19 AM // 02:19

I would love to have more xunlai storage, but there is no way I am going to pay for it, especially $10. I have 5 accounts, storage is not a problem, and 10 bucks is definitely not worth the convenience of not having to start up two copies and switching.

And to the post above this one, very well said. One tab should not be anywhere near the price as another character slot.

Skyy High · Apr 14, 2009, 02:27 AM // 02:27

All three options have their advantages and disadvantages:

Characters slots = more storage, but you have to swap characters to access it, and there is a limit to the number of slots you can buy per account.

Second account = even more storage, and double the zkey influx every month, but there's the even bigger hassle of having to log onto different accounts, the inability to transfer items between accounts without a friend (or a second computer), and the fact that you have a brand new account with nothing useful unlocked on it to deal with (including cities you may want to go to).

Extra storage panes = the most useful and general of all the possibilities, and probably the one that is most useful to the average single account GW user who doesn't use dedicated mules, but could still do with a bit of extra space. Downside is that it's the smallest extra storage you can buy, on a per-dollar basis.

Each has its own advantages and disadvantages. If you are happy to deal with the extra hassle of extra accounts and characters for your storage needs, buy one, they'll be happy to oblige. If few people buy extra storage panes, they'll get the hint eventually and lower the price, just like they lowered the price on character slots a long while ago.

AKB48 · Apr 14, 2009, 02:32 AM // 02:32

/Signed, Anet might as well as to merge with BLIZZARD, what's next? monthly fees?
IGN: Defective Tragedy

darkknightkain · Apr 14, 2009, 02:34 AM // 02:34

The concept is good... just... $10 for 1 tab is a bit too much...

consider $10 can also simply get 1 mule character in pvp which contains
- 20+10+10+5 = 45 anything slots
- 1+15+10+1 = 27 offhand slots
- 1+15+10+1 = 27 uncustomized weapon slots
...

That's 99:20, almost a 5x difference

UndeadRoadkill · Apr 14, 2009, 03:13 AM // 03:13

What's the point in asking people to boycott something that costs more than they're willing to pay in the first place? I mean, if they're not willing to buy it, they're not going to, right? "Calling for a boycott" is silly.

Yawgmoth · Apr 14, 2009, 03:52 AM // 03:52

Calling for a boycott is calling for people to use brains and make them rethink if they really want to spend so much for so little, and make them reconsider other much better possibilities. It's also a call to open your eyes and see where our beloved business model is going -> to the hell of microtransactions!

Want to support Anet for making a great game? Buy more accounts or even character slots - get MUCH more storage for the same price.

If you can't find cheap campagin boxes at your stores - support Anet/NCSoft directly by buying a PvP-only account for $19,99 from NCSoft online store - and get 4 Character Slots + 1 xunlai tab = 200 Universal Slots +heroes +equipment packs (+20-80 weapon slots) +Abuse XTH for free 100k per month.

But Don't support THIS idea of selling very micro content for prices of big stuff, the trend of giving us less and less and less for the same price... or we'll only see more of it (get less and less and less per every $ spent)... and the next game (GW2) may be fully based on this type of deals.

UndeadRoadkill · Apr 14, 2009, 04:03 AM // 04:03

So you think people are completely retarded and can't do the math themselves?

Lishy · Apr 14, 2009, 04:15 AM // 04:15

I don't think paying for storage is bad, and I do NOT think this should be boycotted - Whoever does is an idiot.
As said, GW is Anet's only game and Anet is a business. We were fine up until now, and this is simply a convenience, for a price. Quite frankly, I enjoy the idea they're giving us more of a variety to spend money on in GW related things.

However, at the same time, I feel that they should either lower the price of a storage panel or give us a lot more storage. If we were to buy another character slot for a mule, we would have way more open slots for items, there for making the extra tab for storage fools gold.

SerenitySilverstar · Apr 14, 2009, 04:20 AM // 04:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airstu

How many more times do we have to say OPTIONAL.

Until we're blue in the face, then we get accused of being irrational fan bois.

I'm still trying to figure out how people think their Free Will is being cribbed....

king swift · Apr 14, 2009, 04:24 AM // 04:24

I will try to read most of these posts if i get the chance and maybe set up arguments for both sides. It is a very debatable topic. AnrenaNet thinks of these extra tabs are a luxury, but to the players, they are necessity. They need this, otherwise they would not have been complaining about it for the last 46 months.

The bottom line is I want the space and I'm not going to pay 10 bucks for it. Its just not worth the value. If it was a reasonable price, maybe. It's not worth my money on something that will mean nothing in a few years. Give us a reason to purchase the tabs other than "it's convenient" and maybe ill buy into this. Perhaps a GW2 Perk. Extra storage in GW2. Now there's an idea! But it will never happen.

Will we be buying our storage spaces in GW2 as well?

FoxBat · Apr 14, 2009, 04:28 AM // 04:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Can somebody go find the threads where it was discussed ad nauseum that people would quite happily pay money for extra storage? Please? Because the hypocrisy round here is choking.

Pretty sure they were different from the people complaining here. The poll shows the majority have no problem, heck even the majority of them are fine with the (outrageous) price.

NeHoMaR · Apr 14, 2009, 04:33 AM // 04:33

Boycott is not working I think. Option 3 is winning (Arenanet people voting? lol, just joking! or not?)

My opinion, small version:
- I AGREE with ArenaNet idea to make money with the online store.
- I DISAGREE about selling "things" giving a player BIG ADVANTAGES versus others not paying.

UndeadRoadkill · Apr 14, 2009, 04:35 AM // 04:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

The poll shows the majority have no problem, heck even the majority of them are fine with the (outrageous) price.

Are you looking at the right poll?

At this moment:

203 votes for $10 as a fair price/acceptable price

381 for will not buy/price is too high

Even if you count the last poll option as "not interested" (instead of counting it with 'will not buy') and subtract that number, you are still left with 239 against.

FengShuiDove · Apr 14, 2009, 04:50 AM // 04:50

At the moment I'm posting this, 34.7% of people voting have either said they would pay $5 or $10, or said they thought it was a fair price. That's an extremely good ratio for making a decent profit. And considering this is on Guru, the most skeptical game community I've ever seen in my life, I'd say a few hundred players "boycotting" what they weren't going to buy in the first place ain't gonna hurt ANet too much.

/fail

Minako Sawai · Apr 14, 2009, 05:22 AM // 05:22

So, to recap this thread that should die, there are several groups:

1. Some of us don't want to pay any amount for more storage.

2. Some of us would like more storage but not at the $10 per tab price, but would buy it at $5 or so (me).

3. Some people are fine with $10 (or more!).

4. Some people think the game is dead / don't care cause it isn't PvP skill stuff (trolls and/or PvP only players).

Hmm, okay have a "buy 4 tabs for $20" sale when they release it, that takes care of Group 2. Group 3 people are already okay with the $10 price. Group 4 don't care or are just trolling, so that takes care of them too. Group 1 are just a bunch of cheapskates and freeloaders, so who cares about them anyway. (just kidding!!!)

*Minako casts [Shadow Form] and quickly runs away.....*

Boneyard Spleeneater · Apr 14, 2009, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tramp

Yeah...right.... Out of $4.00 box of girl scout cookies, the girls get to keep about 16% or $0.64. ...

Not really relevant to my point, which is that for a charitable cause, I am happy to pay $4.00 for a box of cookies which should cost me $.99. The Candy Bars kids sell for school fundraisers at two bucks a piece cost them between $.50 and $1.00, so perhaps they get a better deal. Still irrelavant. I am not going to pay McDonalds $6.00 for a Big Mac when the actual market value of it is $1.49. I am not going to pay $10 for 20 storage slots when I could get 45 (or more) for the same price. If others want to pay that much, they are welcome to.

For my final word on the subject (cos I think I have made my point a few times), if you don't want it, don't buy it. If you want to call that a boycott, fine. I think they are charging too much, and would recommend we as a community hold off buying unless they charge a more reasonable price, but my opinion and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee.

Everyone's getting way too wound up about this.

Repeat to yourselves; ITS ONLY A GAME!

(Albeit one I have spent a couple thousand hours playing. I could've cured herpes or something by now

)

SpiritThief · Apr 14, 2009, 05:56 AM // 05:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

But Don't support THIS idea of selling very micro content for prices of big stuff, the trend of giving us less and less and less for the same price... or we'll only see more of it (get less and less and less per every $ spent)... and the next game (GW2) may be fully based on this type of deals.

This.

Look at this as a test. They want to see how stupid "loyal" you guys are. If this works they figure they can rip us on all kinds of stuff when GW2 comes around.

GW2, will B2P, with no fees. But they try to suck you dry with a cash shop. That's all this makes me think. They are "testing" to see how close they get to free2play.

But see there are more then enough idiots out there that will buy this and ruin it for the rest of us. Just like that DLC crap on the consoles now *Thanks MS

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